Bob Graham

The Bob Graham 24 Hour Club

Manage your Registration

On the day

There is a separate page here with some practical tips for the non-running part of your attempt.

Click here to download the Guidance Notes - PDF Document (revised 01 2022). These may be summarised as:

  1. Respect the route.
  2. Respect those who live and work along the route.
  3. Respect the history, traditions and ethos of the round.
  4. Don’t mess things up for others in the future.

Update Details

Before you continue, take the time to copy (don’t do this by hand, use your computer’s copy and paste functionality) your user ID then email/text/message it to yourself so that you have a copy and can use it to login on a different browser.

See the help document for more info and help. You may customise certain aspects of the site on the options page.

There is no need to update the time if you are delayed slightly, say by traffic or roadworks on the way to Keswick to start your round and you decide to start an hour later. It is unlikely that anyone will be concerned about it. Similarly if forecast bad weather arrives sooner or later than predicted and you decide to delay or bring forward your attempt by a day then again it is unlikely to affect anyone.

Hover or tap the question marks for info and help about that item.

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Failed on your Attempt

If you failed on your attempt and are not planning on another attempt this year then fill in your email address (this should be the same as the one you used to register your attempt), select the most suitable reason from the list, note that the “Got as far as ” and “Other reason ” fields may not relevant to all the options - they will be disabled if this is the case - and submit the form.

It’s often the case that there’s more than one reason for failure, just choose what you feel is most appropriate to your situation. One person might regard an ankle sprain leading to slower movement as being the most relevant whereas another might class that as running out of time.

Ratify a Successful Round

Following a successful round you should fill out the form below and send it to the membership secretary within a month of your round.

This feature will not work with versions of Safari (desktop or iOS) earlier than 16.4 which was released in March 2023.

Note that the form doesn’t get auto-saved so use the “Save my data” if you navigate away from this page before submitting you will lose all the data that you entered up to that point.

Recent bug fix! If the member/pacer suggestion feature doesn't work, please contact the Membership Secretary.

The ratification form

The form below should be used to collate the information about your round and to generate your ratification form. It is easiest to make your way through the sections from top to bottom but it’s worth having a preview of each section first to see what data is being asked for and to check over those values that have been automatically entered from your previous interactions with the site to ensure that they are correct.

Click/tap on any ⓘ icon for more information about the associated item. There’s some helpful info below the form or there’s the help document for more info and help.

Ratify your round
Personal Info 6

Most of this information should be pre-filled from your registration details. Required fields with missing values are marked with an asterisk.

The next two items are for UK residents only.

Only the first part of the post code. I.e. the part before the space.

Example: CA12

Only fill in the following two parts if they apply to you.

The quickest means of finding someone’s details is to enter their membership number. If you don’t know that, entering part of their surname will give you a list of all members whose name contains that string.

If the individual succeeded on their round in the current year they will not have been assigned a membership number. Just enter their name.

I have assisted the following club members... Add another member whom you assisted Remove the last member you added
I am related to these club members... Add another member you are related to Remove the last relative you added
GPS/tracker upload (optional)

Handle Missing Tops

The code was unable to ascertain timings at some tops. Please check the following values, update if neccessary and click the “Submit” button to have the code use estimates from your pre-saved calculator schedule.

If you recorded your round using some form of GPS device, please choose a method from the drop-down below.

GPX files

Please use the following field to search for and upload GPX files.

FIT files

Please use the following field to search for and upload .FIT files. (Please note that we are currently having issues with .FIT files from Coros devices so if you can, export your activity as a GPX file)


OpenTracking/Kong Running tracker

If you used a tracker from OpenTracking/Kong Running then copy and paste your tracking page address in the field below.

TrackTrail tracker

For TrackTrail trackers you need two items: your personal event name (looks like “MYBGR2024” Make sure you use upper/lower case correctly) and your tracker ID (the bit after “?n-” in the web address for your tracker page) in the field below.

Schedule Calculator

If you used the schedule calculator on this site then you may use the schedule times as a basis for filling in your times. Depending on how close you followed that schedule you may have quite a few times to modify.

If successful the code will fill in the details of your round (times at each top and road crossing) in the next section. However due to various technical factors there may be instances where the code fails to ascertain that you visited a particular top.

Round Summary6

General information about your round. This is pulled from your registration details.No registration data found, using defaults. Required fields are marked with an asterisk.

For most leave this as “Qualifying Round”, it only needs to be changed if you are already a member of the club and are submitting details of a second round.

This will be auto-filled if you upload a file.
Read-only. To change, use the manage form.
Read-only. To change, use the manage form.

Leave this set to “No”. We do not accept attempts that use commercial support or are part of a commercial event.

Schedule information 0/104

If you uploaded a tracker file in the previous section the list of tops and locations below should have the timings filled in. However it’s worth checking as sometimes the code fails to determine if you visited a top. In this case the times will be generated by the calculator and have an asterisk next to the name and a coloured background to the times. If the times are slightly off then enter the correct values.

For those entering this data by hand... The times required are actual times, in 24hr format, not elapsed time. Hours in the left hand column, minutes in the right. As you enter data a dialog will be displayed showing the current leg duration and the overall duration of the round. This is to help confirm that you’ve entered sensible values and don’t have something like a 20hr transit time between tops.

Road Crossings

This section lets you assign the “rest time” at each road crossing. If you used the schedule calculator then the times from that are automatically used, otherwise the times default to 15 minutes.

Your Support Team0/0

Enter the details of your supporters in the list below. The fields with a purple border may be used to search for your supporter’s details. There is more help via the info button below.

For existing members, the quickest means of finding the details is to enter their membership number. If you don’t know that, entering any part of their surname will give you a list of all members whose name contains that string. The list shows a maximum of six names, if the list has more scroll it to see them.

If your supporter succeeded on their round in the current year they will not have been assigned a membership number. Just enter their name.

For non-members (this includes those who succeeded on their round in the current year), the files on the website only contain those who have helped five times or more. Enter part of their surname to search for them.

For all non-members, ensure the “Previous support” box is checked if they have supported a successful round in the past.

Only enter each supporter once. Check as many of the individual “Leg n” boxes as needed to indicate how they helped you. (some combinations may not be allowed)

Previous support means that the individual has supported a successful round in the past.

Add another of your support team Remove the last supporter you added
What to do now...

Go back through the sections and check that all your data is correct then click on the “Create my Form” button. That will create the final spreadsheet and the button will change to a link to download it. Click on that link and attach it to an email. Send that email to the membership secretary.

See the last item in the list below on what to do with the spreadsheet.

Useful information/FAQ

General Information

Data sources

Your personal and basic round details are automatically filled in for you from your registration data.

If you recorded your round using a GPS device then you can fill in the schedule from that recording.

Supporter info is auto-filled where possible from the details of those we have on the system.

GPS trackers and devices

Quite a few people use GPS trackers (Opentracking, Garmin InReach, SPOT, etc.) to allow friends to follow their progress as they attempt the round. However it should be noted that they typically only update their position every one to ten minutes, depending on device and account settings. This makes them somewhat unreliable for determining a precise time at each top.

This limitation comes about because rather than just logging their position they transmit it, either via mobile phone signal or via communications satellites, back to the company’s servers from where it is displayed on a web page. That communication is potentially very expensive so they try and minimise its use. That communication also consumes battery power, another reason to limit the recording rate.

GPS devices (Garmin Forerunner series, Suunto, etc) on the other hand do not transmit their data so can afford to record data more frequently. Again it depends on the device settings but is typically from every 6 or 7 seconds down to the actual GPS transmit interval of 1 second.

Data validation

The code won’t let you enter certain combinations of values as they don’t make sense - existing members can’t be used as reciprocal pacers for example.

Auto correction

The code behind the form does its best to make sure that the values you enter are valid and correct and also in a format that limits confusion. An example would be the timings, these should be two digits long so “1” would be corrected to “01” but “10” isn’t altered.

Names are correctly capitalised so “jones” and “JONES” both become “Jones”

Section summaries

At the right hand of each section title bar is a summary of how complete that section is. This is displayed as “6/7” or similar. It only applies to the required fields so if you enter a club name then that isn’t included in the count.

The “Supporter info” section is slightly different as it checks that both each individual supporter is filled out correctly (at least one of the check boxes is ticked) and that overall you have entered supporters for all five legs of the round.

Other information

The form is somewhat generic and should handle the details of most attempts. There may be some pertinent information relating to your round that isn’t covered: you did the round with a relative; etc.

In this case simply add a note in the covering email explaining what it is that you couldn’t enter via the form.

Personal Information

How do I fill out my Postcode?

We are only interested in the first part of your postcode. That is the part before the space. This is usually one or two letters followed by one or two digits. Do not enter your full postcode.

Examples:

CA12

S7

Previous Assistance.

This only applies to where you helped on successful attempts, not those where the contender didn't succeed.

If you know their membership number, type that in the membership number box, the system will fill in their details when you move out of the box.

If you don’t know their membership number type in their name then choose the right person from the list that appears. This list is scrollable.

If you assisted someone earlier this year then they will not have been assigned a membership number so just type in their name.

Click on the “Add another member whom you assisted” button to add another member to the list.

Round Summary

Completion Date.

This is the date on which you completed your round and is required. However if you intend to upload a GPS file of your round then this field will be completed as part of that process.

If the completion date is auto-completed from a file and is more than a day different from the start date then the latter is marked as invalid and so needs to be corrected.

File upload

What files can be uploaded?

Currently the system only handles GPX and .FIT files. If you used a tracker from OpenTracking/Kong Running then there’s a means to access your split times.

File upload.

Clicking on the button will open your Operating System’s file program. You will only be able to select GPX or FIT files, all other types will be greyed out or unavailable.

What happens next?

The code first performs some “Pre Flight checks”, assessing whether the file is valid and not corrupted in some way and gives a rough estimate of the time gap between the recorded points.

The code runs through the file and attempts to find recorded points that match each summit. When it is finished (which typically takes only a second or two) the following section indicates the number of matches it has found.

I used a tracker from OpenTracking/Kong Running, how do I get my data?

The intervals between locations in the GPX file from OpenTracking/Kong Running is too great to be used by the code that analyses GPX files. However we have access to your split times...

Enter your the the tracker web address that was given to you in the input box, click on the “Get my data ” button.

Why hasn’t the code found all the summits?

Each summit has a “geo-fence” around it meaning that there doesn’t have to be an exact match in location. However the size of this geo-fence is a balance between being small enough that the recorded time is accurate and ensure that the contender has visited the summit but being big enough that any errors in the recorded location can be accounted for.

The “Pre Flight checks” adjust the size of the geo-fence according to the time gap between recorded points in an attempt to compensate for coarser positioning.

The code looks for all the points within the geo-fence and uses the time of the closest point. However if the GPS satellites (which constantly move in the sky) are in an unfavourable configuration then it is possible that no recorded points lie close enough to the summit.

Schedule Information

The file upload hasn’t found all the summits.

In some instances the code is unable to find a point that sits within the geo-fence around a summit. In this instance the times default to “-1” and you will have to enter the times yourself. Times should be in 24hr format, i.e. 2pm would be entered as 14 in the hour field and 00 in the minute field.

Note that if you run the file upload again then you will overwrite any values you enter yourself.

Some of the times are slightly different from my hand-recorded times.

Times are rounded to the nearest minute. So if the closest recorded location to a summit has a time of 14:28:25 it gets rounded down to 14:28 whereas if the time was 14:28:35 it gets rounded up to 14:29.

The size of the geo-fence is adjusted according to the estimated interval between recorded points to try and ensure that times at all summits are recorded. See the comments under “Why hasn’t the code found all the summits?”

If the nearest point was close to the limits of the geo-fence then the recorded time may be a minute earlier or later than your actual time. Combine with the rounding and you may see a time difference to hand recorded times of two minutes or so.

If this is the case, just hand enter the correct times.

Supporter Information

How do I fill in the details of my support?

There are two classes of supporters - members and non-members. All members are listed but only those non-members who have helped on five or more successful rounds.

For members:
The quickest method is to enter their membership number, the system will fill in their details when you move out of the box.
If you don’t know their membership number enter their surname and then select them from the list that appears. This list is scrollable. Their membership number is to the right of their name.
For non-members, it they have previously helped on a successful round:
EITHER: Enter their surname and then select them from the list that appears. This list is scrollable. The system will automatically check the “Previous support” box
OR: For those who haven’t helped at least five times, just enter their name, then check the “Previous support” box.
For non-members who haven’t helped before then just enter their name and leave the “Previous support” box unchecked.

Then for each supporter check each box where they assisted. Note that each supporter should appear just once.

Finally, Don’t forget the road crew!

My pacer has helped before but doesn’t appear in the drop down list.

All members are shown in the members’ list but the pacers list only shows those who have helped on five or more successful rounds. Remember the list is scrollable. There are almost 10,000 non-members who have helped but less than five hundred are included in the on-site list. It’s just a case of numbers.

In this instance you will have to fill out the details yourself.

Make sure that you spell their name correctly. It can be worth deleting characters to find a minimum set that gives you a result. Also you don’t need to type the first part of their name, any string of three characters or more from their name will suffice.

What’s the “Previous Support” box for?

Use this to indicate if the pacer has supported a successful round prior to yours.

This helps us avoid entering the same person into the system more than once.

If they have helped on a successful round but don’t appear in the drop down list you will have to check this box yourself.

What’s the “Reciprocal” box for?

A reciprocal round is one where two (or more) contenders witness each other with very little other help on all legs except at the road crossings.

This does not apply to an existing member accompanying you for the entire round.

Nor does it apply to doing the round with a friend but with a full set of supporters.

What’s the “Road” box for?

Use this to indicate when the supporter helped at the road crossings.

This should include those who didn’t help on the fells.

It’s up to you to decide what level of help is sufficient to warrant being recorded.

What’s the “Leg support missing” message about?

You should have support/witnesses for the whole round. The code checks for that, i.e. that you have at least one supporter on each of the five legs.

Next Steps

What do I do now?

Once you are sure that you’ve entered all the data required and that it is correct, click on the “Create my Form” button and in a second or two the button will become a download link.

Click on “Download your Form” and do a quick check on the downloaded spreadsheet. There are five sheets:

  • Personal Info
  • Schedule
  • Support
  • Road Crossings
  • BG Club use only

Check that the values on the first four sheets are correct but don’t touch anything on the last sheet as the data is in a format that makes it easy for us to work with. If anything is incorrect but you entered the data on the form correctly then let the Membership Secretary (Bob Wightman) know so that the problem can be investigated.

How do I get the form to you?

Start a new email (don’t continue any existing email thread you may have had with the club as that just makes sorting things at our end harder), use a subject line like: “BGR ratification for ” attach the spreadsheet and send it to the Membership Secretary (Bob Wightman).

Don’t send a link to your company’s document management system or your cloud storage. We aren’t going to be able to access it.

To avoid the server holding lots of ratification forms, they are removed automatically after thirty days.

What happens after that?

Once the Membership Secretary has checked your form and updated the system you’ll get a reply with a basic outline of how the invitations work for the dinner where new members receive their certificates.